Yep

you guys are conflating like 5 different point i never made:
never said loops dont have a purpose.
dont know where the captain pulled his 100mb amount out from.

what i am saying ist that more often than not loops are crammed in to add percieved value to updates. main reason i stopped upgrading komplete.

that said, i do feel snobby about them and anyone relying heavily on them is a talentless hack imo.

as far as storage cost go, you guys are obviously not mac users.

I’m pretty sure the loops/sounds stay in the cloud until you choose to download them so it’s not like they take any space unless you actually use them.

It does indeed. A gigabyte of storage costs circa 0.33$ to the final user, therefore 100 MB are more or less 0.03$: back in the days you could afford a whole steak with that sum!
Joking aside, Technomancer, there are people out there who literally do their work working off (sorry for the pun) samples and loops, on top of tracks (DJs, wannabe rappers, part of the electronic music producers etc). I would never use loops, MIDI files and whatnot, but they’re not bloatware: the fact that you don’t need them doesn’t make them useless.

Yes, horrible news. This sampling and looping fad has got to go. Think of all the out of work live loopers. And don’t get me started on the ammount of hard-drive space it takes up. That extra 100MB is at least the price of a coffee.

bloat is exactly what it is.
nobody is talking about patches but the precooked loops and sounds.

Bloat? It’s a DAW, not a browser or text editor: if drummers and new sounds are bloatware, then Apple should deprive Logic of EXS24. For one, if the Mellotron patches are the same included in Logic, Garageband users are getting a pretty nice gift.